{"id":85262,"date":"2022-11-01T15:28:33","date_gmt":"2022-11-01T19:28:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/muslimmatters.org\/?p=85262"},"modified":"2022-11-02T00:41:46","modified_gmt":"2022-11-02T04:41:46","slug":"its-not-andrew-tates-conversion-its-some-muslim-mens-reactions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/muslimmatters.org\/2022\/11\/01\/its-not-andrew-tates-conversion-its-some-muslim-mens-reactions\/","title":{"rendered":"It\u2019s Not Andrew Tate\u2019s Conversion, It\u2019s Some Muslim Men\u2019s Reactions"},"content":{"rendered":"

Many have asked why Muslim women are upset with Andrew Tate\u2019s conversion. That is the wrong question. We should be overjoyed when anyone accepts Islam.<\/span><\/p>\n

The issue is the celebration connected with definitive declarations such as, \u201cThe top G accepted Islam!\u201d and, \u201cHe\u2019ll bring real masculinity back into this Ummah<\/em>!\u201d The issue is some Muslim men viewing a man who domestic violence shelters<\/em>\u00a0described as \u201ccapable of radicalizing men and boys to commit harm offline<\/a>,\u201d<\/span> as a paragon of manhood. The issue is the glorification of a personality – pre-Islam – associated with exploitation of women. The issue is expressing unfettered jubilation without nuancing, \u201cinshAllah<\/em> through Islam he can find the best form of reformation.\u201d The issue is the celebration, without any acknowledgement of the ramifications that the celebration is of his messaging before.<\/span><\/p>\n

The Prophetic Tradition of Honoring Women<\/b><\/h2>\n

The Prophet \"\u1e63allall\u0101hu took a generation of men and women who were from a culture which buried their own baby girls alive, to a generation of men who honored women, and women who saw honor in themselves.<\/span><\/p>\n

This mentorship started from infancy, even in the most sacred space. The Prophet \"\u1e63allall\u0101hu used to pray while carrying his granddaughter Um\u0101ma, and when he prostrated he placed her down and when he got up he carried her. [Bukhari, Muslim] Ibn Hajar quotes the scholar Fakahani in explaining that the Prophet \"\u1e63allall\u0101hu\u00a0 did so to show them in action how to honor girls. [Fat’hul Bari].<\/span><\/p>\n

The comprehensive change of a generation is summarized by Omar\u2019s \"ra\u1e0dyAll\u0101hu statement, \u201cIn the times of ignorance, we used to have no regard for women whatsoever. But when Islam came and Allah \"sub\u1e25\u0101nahu made mention of them, this caused us to realize that they have rights upon us…\u201d<\/strong> [Bukhari]\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Revelation transformed a culture of violence, ownership, and objectification of women to one in which women and men are, as described by the Prophet \"\u1e63allall\u0101hu, \u201cpartners\u201d [Ahmad], and as the Quran describes, \u201callies\u201d [<\/span>Surat At-Tawbah: 9;71]<\/span><\/p>\n

Islamic law and Islamic history have shown us the depth of care and critical participation of women, as established by the mentorship of the Prophet \"\u1e63allall\u0101hu:<\/span><\/p>\n

1.Spiritual space:<\/strong> Aishah \"ra\u1e0dyAll\u0101hu narrates about a Mother of the Believers that she was in i\u2019tikaaf<\/em> with the Prophet \"\u1e63allall\u0101hu \u201c..and she was bleeding in between her periods. She used to see the blood and she would perhaps put a dish under her for the blood.\u201d (This was the bleeding of istihaadha<\/em>, not menses, which take different rulings for prayer.) [Bukhari]\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

If a Mother of the Believers would go to the masjid in istihaadha<\/em>, and because of not having today\u2019s hygienic resources would put a tray under her to protect the masjid from her blood, but would still pray in the masjid – then what does that say about a woman’s access and connection to the house of God?<\/span><\/p>\n

2. Intimacy:<\/strong> While there is a depth and breadth of discussion on the issue from a legal perspective, Ibn Taymiyyah\u2019s words speak to a recognition of women\u2019s needs even in spaces wrongfully considered taboo: \u201cCausing harm to the wife by not having intercourse is grounds for annulment in all cases, whether the husband did that intentionally or otherwise, and whether he was able to do it or not; it is like maintenance and even more important.\u201d [Fatawa alKubra]<\/span><\/p>\n

How often have women been made to feel like sex is only for men, that being sexual beings is only for men? And yet Omar \"ra\u1e0dyAll\u0101hu himself changed law on how long men could serve in the army when he overheard just one woman complain she was sexually lonely without her husband. [Ibn Qudamah, alMughni]<\/span><\/p>\n

3. Scholarship:<\/strong> Women scholars played a critical role in Islamic history. <\/span>Aisha, the daughter of the great companion Saad ibn Abi Waqqas, taught Imam Malik. Sayyid Nafisa, the great granddaughter of the Prophet \"\u1e63allall\u0101hu himself, was the teacher of Imam alShafi. Karimah alMarwaziyyah, the greatest hadith scholar of her time, was the teacher of alKhatib alBaghdadi. Shaykha Fatima bint Muhammad alSamarqandi was a scholar who the famous Salahudin alAyoubi and his predecessor Noor alDin would seek fatawa from, seeking advice on state matters. These are simply a handful of thousands of women scholars in our history. [Sh Akram Nadwi\u2019s AlMuhadithaat<\/em>, Ibn Hajar\u2019s alIsabah fi Tamiz alSahaba<\/em>, Ibn Sa\u2019ad\u2019s al-Tabaqat<\/em>, and alSakhawi\u2019s alDaw\u2019 al-Lami\u2019]<\/span><\/p>\n

A Dangerous Following & The Muslim Male Reaction<\/b><\/h2>\n

The Prophet \"\u1e63allall\u0101hu is associated with uplifting women. Contrast this with Andrew Tate, whose brand is associated with men who harm and objectify women. In fact, a sister who is working on publishing a study with a university sent me a message explaining, \u201cI work in social services in England. I\u2019ve come across several young men newly referred to the social services for violent behavioral challenges, and when interviewing and working with each of these young men in the last year we have identified at least 65% of them had consumed Tate’s material.\u201d While she recognized this may be correlation rather than causation, she mentioned that the fact so many of them cited him by name<\/em> is alarming.<\/span><\/p>\n

Despite all this, before Tate even accepted Islam, some men micro-influencers were hosting him on podcasts and promoting him on their pages. They were platforming someone who was proud to have a webcam business of exploiting women for entertainment, who spoke and joked openly about committing violence against women, and objectified women in some of the most derogatory ways. These micro-influencers who platformed him are not scholars. In fact, I have heard men scholars in the past denounce Tate and warn Muslim men from following him. Why were these men hosting him as an example of manhood before he even became Muslim, when these views are so blatantly far from Islam?<\/span><\/p>\n

Dear Brothers: When you praise Tate as a \u201ctrue man\u201d who can bring that manhood into the Ummah with his conversion, you communicate to many women that you literally do not care about what happens to your sisters.<\/span><\/p>\n

Can you see why Muslim women, especially women who are victims and survivors of domestic violence, and those who work with women and children who are, could be terrified that Muslim men will adopt Tate\u2019s pre-Islamic attitudes towards women? And even worse, now take Tate\u2019s previous attitudes and deem them Islamic?<\/span><\/p>\n

This week, sisters who have written publicly regarding feeling terrified about staying in this community because of many Muslim men\u2019s loudly celebratory and un-nuanced reactions, have received death threats from Muslim men who follow Tate. These women were told they aren\u2019t actually believers and they saw Muslim men on multiple live social media streams joking about raping them. Yes, they did report these accounts. But the fact that this has been the experience of so many women who have vocally expressed their concerns, is certainly in line with that same type of branding.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Conversion<\/b><\/h2>\n

We welcome conversion joyfully.<\/strong> And we should all recognize that rectification takes time, support, and mentorship. Conversion is an opportunity to perfect not only one\u2019s beliefs, but also one\u2019s character in following the Pinnacle of character \"\u1e63allall\u0101hu.<\/span><\/p>\n

We should pray Andrew Tate will become the best of us and that we all become better. We should want him to have incredible support and mentorship to become his best self in front of Allah \"\u1e63allall\u0101hu and in the footsteps of the Messenger \"\u1e63allall\u0101hu. But that process- as we all recognize- takes time. And the fact that we aren\u2019t giving him time before he is immediately lauded as an example and hosted on so many platforms, is alarming and speaks to the real issue.<\/span><\/p>\n

This is not an issue of conversion. The issue is commentary on the reaction of some<\/em> men in our community, the silence of too many in the face of those men, and the willingness for them to not only not recognize how their reaction is so viscerally painful for women, but also how violent some of these same \u201cbrothers\u201d are when they disagree with their sisters, and the double standards of these same men when it comes to women.<\/span><\/p>\n

So celebrate conversion, yes, but also recognize the necessity for public accountability and responsibility to uphold the Prophet\u2019s \"\u1e63allall\u0101hu mandate to men:<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201c…I enjoin you to be good to women.\u201d<\/strong><\/em> [Bukhari]<\/span><\/p>\n

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Related reading:<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

– Reflections On The Muslim Reaction To Andr<\/em>ew Tate<\/a><\/p>\n

Reflections On The Muslim Reaction To Andrew Tate<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n